Superchargers

[MarvelPhx]

I have a pre-order in for an ESS Tuning 7psi Vortech supercharger. It is completely bolt-on and produces 347hp using the stock 330 exhaust.

I will post lots of information about the install and its performance in the next month. Keep your eyes here!

[alibaba]

hey. Thanks for the great site. I have some questions (that you have already answered) about the ESS Supercharger.

How much do you think installation by a mechanic will be? What are the 0-60 times Manual and Steptronic and Automatic? Is it true that the 342 hp is more than a M3 just on the basis of this simple modification? If I had an exhaust what HP could I be looking at- 350?
Thanks for your help!!!

[MarvelPhx]

Yes, it will produce similiar HP to a STOCK M3, but a super'd M3 would be well over 400hp.

And, the stock exhaust is very good from BMW. Most aftermarket exhaust (if you actually look down the pipe) are just straight pipes with a fake muffler welded on. I am choosing to keep the stock exhaust on the car. It sounds better than coffee-cans and will produce more torque at low rpms. The ECU in the 330 is already milked for everything it can muster, pipes won't make a huge difference after adding a blower.

If anything, you might get maybe 10 more hp, which you won't notice after almost doubling your hp in the first place! /forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

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[alibaba]

Hey. I have another question. Can I get the ESS Supercharger with steptronic transmission? (I'm sure I can). But the question is more like, is it worth it or even preferable to get the ESS Supercharger with steptronic transmission?

And my second part of the post concerns the chip which is angering me. ESS is not putting in a new chip altogether? They want to desolder then resolder our chip after modifying it? That seems awfully annoying rather than just offering a chip of their own? Any plans of offering their own chip?

[MarvelPhx]

Steptronic or not, the supercharger will make a very noticable difference! The blower will still put over 270hp to the rear wheels with the automatic.

And the reason they need the ECU is that the chips are soldered to the board now (no more snap ins, they are less reliable). Also, they need to get the encryted key code overlay off the chip before reprogramming it. You *do* want your key's remote features to continue to work correct? /forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Eternal-X]

hmmmmmm supercharger ?
not bad......
but my car is automatic too
/forums/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif
btw, how much is for the supercharger kit ?

[MarvelPhx]

The automatic won't change a whole lot in terms of driveline loss...maybe 5%.

The kit is $5,995 plus $85 shipping (to the US) directly from ESS, but I have been told directly about getting it for a couple hundred less than that. I will keep you informed.

[jamieacura]

Which mechanic are you using to install your supercharger (I assume in PHX area)? How much is he charging you? I'm looking into ESS SC for my 323i....

[MarvelPhx]

I am going to install it myself.

[z0dd]

Great great site dude, I can tell that it's gonna be really successful and get alot of hits in the near future.. probably when you finish your modifications.. /forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

About the supercharger.. I'm debating whether to buy one or not.. See, I have a 50,000 mile warranty and I'm scared that if I make a mod to the engine and something screws up in my car then they won't honor the warranty because they will see that I modified the engine.

Thanks,
Chris

[MarvelPhx]

I understand your worry. I have the same issue. Now, here are your options:

1) According to Vortech (the manufacturer of the actual supercharger itself), if the part is not labeled "For Racing Use Only", it does not affect your factory warranty. They even say if the manufacturer denies warranty work to call a few governmental offices and complain. They even list the number on their website.

2) BMW can only, if at all, deny repairs on parts that they can PROVE were damaged by installing the supercharger. Some examples would be anything not drivetrain related, i.e. trim, window regulators, lighting, etc. They can't tell you your warranty is void on your door lock cuz you installed a supercharger.

3) ESS put a lot of work into these kits. They make sure that a margin for safety was engineered into the setup. The Vortech V2SQ can produce 20psi of boost, but they ensure you only get 7. That is what the engine can handle safely and reliably. If you are still worried, you can buy a $2500 warranty from ESS that will cover any parts damaged by the supercharger.

ESS's sole purpose is to supercharge BMWs and have been doing it for years. They own a CNC mill costing tens of thousands of dollars. I give them credit for knowing what they are doing. I know a few people with 323 and 328 systems and love them. Hence why I am going with the 330i system. I am not opting for the extended warranty and will fight BMW if they give me trouble.

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[RD330Xi]

I have been talking to some people over at ESS about the new Vortech unit available for the 330's... I have the Xi, all wheel drive model, and I am wonderinf if I should be worried about the extra power, and possible issues with the added poer and torque. Anyone seen the Xi model with a supercharger yet? Thanks for your input, great site you've got here.

Rick

[MarvelPhx]

Since the engines are all the same, the supercharger setup is all the same. I notice that ESS states 8 less HP in the xi models.

I do not know what that is related to, i.e. drivetrain, different ignition mapping, awd systems, but I am confident ESS knows what they are doing.

The drivetrain itself should be able to handle the power increases without a problem.

[RD330Xi]

Besides the ESS unit, what would you recommend as other modifications to the car. I was thinking about doing a cam, and maybe a new intake manifold. What type are the best out there that will add power, but keep it a daily driver. Also, anyone have any ideas on suspension? I want to lower it a bit, it stands too high off of the wheels. Thanks!

[MarvelPhx]

A engine rebuild or forced induction system such as a supercharger/turbocharger will provide the largest power increases. A lot of people do simpler mods such as ECU reprogramming, CAI (Cold Air Intakes), or exhaust systems. These typically produce small gains such as 5-20hp. A different camshaft may produce a noticable gain, but in tradeoff for what? The Double-VANOS system already maximizes the use of a variable camshaft.

As for me? I don't want to make any major changes to my engine, including cracking it open to replace internals. If I chose to go that route, I would have probably opted to wait for the turbocharger system.

I have chosen the Bilstein PSS9 coilover suspension and it should arrive next week now (due to the FAA no flight actions). It does not lower the car as much as the H&R setup, for example, but it is completely height and dampening adjustable.

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[joseph]

On 2001-08-06 19:28, MarvelPhx wrote:
I have a pre-order in for an ESS Tuning 7psi Vortech supercharger. It is completely bolt-on and produces 347hp using the stock 330 exhaust.

I will post lots of information about the install and its performance in the next month. Keep your eyes here!

[joseph]

I Also want to install an ESS supercharger how much power can i really get if i have both automatic and steptronic in my 330ci.

[joseph]

When are we going to be able to purchase this supercharger!!!!

[MarvelPhx]

Well, you can place your order now, but the systems weren't supposed to arrive in the US until late September and may now be delayed even farther. You can order directly through ESS or one of their US distributors.

[Syncro]

Supercharger is the only way to go.

I currently own a Acura Integra GS-R that when stock had 170 hp. I installed a Jackson Racing Supercharger at 6 psi and now pump out 250 hp in a 2700 lb. 1.8 litre engine car. This car moves but I hate the front wheel drive.

I have a friend with a 2001 330Ci and he let me drive it. I WANT ONE. I want the hard top with the M Sport package. I am haggling with the BMW dealer now on a trade in. I want the Sterling Grey (special order color) with the Alcantara interior (NICE).

Exhaust, cold air intake, etc. will only net very minor gains. I have tried them all - although not in a BMW. I can't see it being any different with most cars. Supercharging will make your car feel like its got a big V8 under the hood. If you do this one mod and nothing else you will have a Supercar! One bonus is that you will not use more gas unless you tromp on it all the time.

Wish me luck on a acquiring my 330Ci and getting rid of the Rice Rocket!

[Syncro]

Supercharger is the only way to go.

I currently own a Acura Integra GS-R that when stock had 170 hp. I installed a Jackson Racing Supercharger at 6 psi and now pump out 250 hp in a 2700 lb. 1.8 litre engine car. This car moves but I hate the front wheel drive.

I have a friend with a 2001 330Ci and he let me drive it. I WANT ONE. I want the hard top with the M Sport package. I am haggling with the BMW dealer now on a trade in. I want the Sterling Grey (special order color) with the Alcantara interior (NICE).

Exhaust, cold air intake, etc. will only net very minor gains. I have tried them all - although not in a BMW. I can't see it being any different with most cars. Supercharging will make your car feel like its got a big V8 under the hood. If you do this one mod and nothing else you will have a Supercar! One bonus is that you will not use more gas unless you tromp on it all the time.

Wish me luck on a acquiring my 330Ci and getting rid of the Rice Rocket!

[SYNDICATE 19]

When are we going to be able to purchase this supercharger!!!!

[mrbanshee]

I am interested in getting the ESS Tuning supercharger for my 330i. I was wondering if you got the supercharger for your car and if you installed it? Also, how good is it and please can you describe it in detail? Thanks.

[MarvelPhx]

I am currently in negotiations with ESS as we speak. I heard from E46fanatics that they are beginning to receive their initial kits for sale. I have yet to see one hit the US.

[mrbanshee]

WOW! I hope my Supercharger kit doesn't take that long to recieve. How did you pay for it? (check, credit card, paypal, etc)

[MarvelPhx]

I won't pay a cent until it arrives...

[FRANCO]

On 2001-08-09 15:55, MarvelPhx wrote:
Steptronic or not, the supercharger will make a very noticable difference! The blower will still put over 270hp to the rear wheels with the automatic.

And the reason they need the ECU is that the chips are soldered to the board now (no more snap ins, they are less reliable). Also, they need to get the encryted key code overlay off the chip before reprogramming it. You *do* want your key's remote features to continue to work correct? /forums/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif


You could get a torque converter to increase the power to the wheels. Actually, your suppose to get a custom torque conveter when you get a Supercharger, most tuners would make you one. Your stock one won't last a month. Marvel, are you sure the ESS Supercharger will pump out 347hp from stock? Cause I'm talking to RMS (Race Marque Systems) and they're supercharger pumps out 340hp from stock. I trust RMS with my car, and their supercharger is bad-ass.

[MarvelPhx]

You are correct, it is 347hp DIN...

That's about 333hp SAE as we know it here in the States.

RMS, ERT, and ESS all use the same V2SQ Vortech blower assembly, so the only differences between the three is tubing, design, pulley, and software. And even then, each company knows there is only so much you can get out of the supercharged M54 before you have detonation risks.

[FRANCO]

On 2002-02-28 04:32, MarvelPhx wrote:
You are correct, it is 347hp DIN...

That's about 333hp SAE as we know it here in the States.

RMS, ERT, and ESS all use the same V2SQ Vortech blower assembly, so the only differences between the three is tubing, design, pulley, and software. And even then, each company knows there is only so much you can get out of the supercharged M54 before you have detonation risks.



Yeah, my friend already supercharged his 330, and they won't let him go past 8psi because he hasn't worked on his internals, or transmission. But he has 335 hp! Even though it's suppose to be his show car (h doesn't drive it much, what a shame) he smoked an M3 once!

[Kempo Kid]

does it matter whether you get a supercharger or exhaust, intake, ecu chip, and all that first? does the order of all your modifications matter when you are planning to get a supercharger?

[Noir]

W/ the ESS supercharger... If I get it (I have stock) do I have to make any other mods on my car in order to have it work correct.

[MarvelPhx]

You shouldn't have to get anything other than the kit itself. If you have CAI already, it will be replaced.

[joby]

I was in the dealer today and saw a disassembled M3.....I asked what happened to the engine and the tech told me that the driver blew the engine on a high rpm mis-shift. Apparently the m54 camshafts are NOT supported (bearinged?)anywhere in the center, only on the ends. The theory is that the cam deflects under high rpm overloads and blows. Something to consider when supercharging a 330........

[MarvelPhx]

The M3 uses a S54 motor, not the M54...

M3s can also rev higher before hitting redline...

I don't think the cams will be a problem on a supercharged 330i...

[joby]

Thanks for the correction on the s54 vs. m54. My mistake.

However, be it as it may that the S54 can rev higher, there still exists a flex problem with the cam when OVER-reved on a missed shift. That was the salient point I was trying to convey. Knowing that a supercharger really quickens the climb through the rpms, the possibility of a high rpm mis-shift (thus a flexed cam resulting in a blown engine) greatly increases. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, 400+ hp in a car as well sorted out as an M3 is an intoxicating thought!!

[tingzilla]

err...have you seen any Japanese turbo videos? They will tell you 400hp in a car isn't insane AT ALL! Average tuned IS300 in japan have 350hp. Average drift machines in japan have Twin-turbo. All BMW chassis are certainly capable of handling 400hp ( tuned suspension is needed of course). As for Marvel's car? His car is ready for anything up to 500hp ( maybe not the tires =].

[pkoenig]

A note on the M3 motor. Most of the engine failures are the result of a rod bearing failure on #3. BMW is still "tweaking" the design -- they've changed the oil spec, the bearing clearances and material and the crank. There were several failures of Oct/Nov 01 builds. Some failures were from over-revs (missed shifts), but when SMG II cars began to fail, you couldn't blam a missed shift. There is a website with more information at http://members.roadfly.org/jason/m3engines.htm

[ekerbuddy]

Anyone actually installed the ESS supercharger on the 330? Is it really as spectacular as ESS says it is?

[MarvelPhx]

I am actually already about 95% finished with installing the ESS on the my330i.com car...

I should be finished this weekend hopefully and I will, of course, give a full review, install, DIY, and photos...